독일 도시락 모듈 (정확히는 Danner Cassette Module)앰프에 대해 관심이 많아 인터넷을 찾아 보다가 우연히 발견한 글인데 저같은 독일 앰프 초보들께 참고 하시라고 올려 봅니다
사진은 제가 가지고 있는 V72,V72a,V73 모듈로 구성된 랙 마운트 형태의 앰프입니다.
좀 더 욕심을 낸다면 v76/m을 구하고 볼륨을 오리지날 페이더 형식으로 바꾸고 싶습니다.
그 옆에 있는 앰프는 Klangfilm KLV 408 로 EL34PP 앰프 이고 그 위에 돼지 저금통 아래에 있는 것은 KLV 408에 매칭하는 국내업체작인 칸투스 클랑뢰베 독일계 트랜스 프리이고 그 옆은 아주 잘 만든 국산 6V6 싱글 앰프 입니다
아래는 인터넷에서 퍼온글 입니다
TELEFUNKEN/TAB/EAB/NEUMANN/SIEMENS
The V72 studio mic pre-amplifier.
The V72 was developed at the NWDR (North West German Radio) in the time period of 1949 to 1952 as a microphone and main studio amplifier under the technical supervision of Prof. Nestler the former Head of R&D of Telefunken ELA (Electro Acoustic) Lab.
Following the Stockholmer Radio conference ,where Europe set the beginning of the Ultra Short Wave Radio or in better terms FM radio, new equipment with a better frequency response and S/N ratio was needed. Because most pre-war equipment had been deported or destroyed the NWDR developed a complete new standard for the German radio network in cooperation with the IRT in Hamburg (Institute for Broadcast Technology).
The V72 was modeled on the basis of the V41 (developed in 1928 by Telefunken), but with modern parts like the Noval glass tubes and in a smaller housing the "Danner" cassette module. The first 300 units were build at the NWDR Zentraltechnik up to serial#100 and to Serial#300 by Maihak with a set of EF40 (the post war version of the EF12), but later changed to a better version of the EF40, the EF804s.
The V72 is a self contained amplifier with a fixed gain; it was originally used as a microphone amplifier (in use with a Neumann W75k high pass filter) and as a buffering amplifier to make up for loss of the passive fader like the Danner MR66/88 and Eckmiller W86 EQs. Up to 1955 it was the standard preamplifier in German radio stations; with the introduction of the V76, it was pushed back as an input module, then only used as a buffering amplifier. In 1963 it was decomissioned by the IRT and replaced by the V72t transistor version.
An estimated 25000 V72 were built for the German Radio Network alone with a fixed gain of 34dB, by several different companies. The early ones were build by Maihak and Telefunken; in 1954 Siemens and TAB joined the production team. Aside from the German radio stations, the V72 was used by most of the European Recording Companies like EMI, Decca/Telefunken, etc. Those units were a bit different,with a fixed gain of 40 dB and lower input impedence.
Telefunken used them as standard preamplifiers for their broadcast division. In 1960 AEG-Telefunken, which was the world's biggest manufacturer of broadcast systems, sold these units mainly to radio stations in South America, Africa and the Middle East, where most of them are still in use today. In 1966 the production stopped at Telefunken; Siemens stopped the production in 1964 but built the V72b version up to 1966. TAB was the only company that built the V72a up into the 70s.
Today the V72 is still in demand, but most units are now at least 34 years old and need to be rebuilt or refurbished. The electrolytic caps of the power supply are dried out and need to be replaced; the silkwire of the unit falls apart, and in most cases it shorts out the input/output x-former.
Technically speaking, there is a family of V72 type amplifiers that were built around the V72 circuit: the V71, V77 and V78. And the close relatives to the V72 are those units that matched the technical data of this little giant, but used a different circuit,V72a (V74a) V72b (V70/V77b).
The V71 was only made by Malotki and was a half size Danner module (without power supply) that incorporated the V72 circuit. The gain could be set with a resistor from 19 to 43 dB and needed an external N52 power supply.
The V77 was a Siemens made supercharged V72 with a maximum gain of 80 dB. It produced sound like a V72 but with the gain and plus of the V76; with an external switch (W77) the gain could be adjusted from 0 to 80 dB. Tube set-up, choke and output x-former are identical; the input x-former is wound the same way but with a 1 to 40 ratio, because in order to get the required S/N ratio the V77 needed a different power x-former with two separate filament windings.
The V78 was a general purpose or talkback version for the German radio station with an adjustable gain up to 70dB. Sound and S/N ratio is quite different, even where the circuit and transformers are the same, but the inputs and outputs transformer are hooked up in a different way so that the unit loses its sound character. The V78 is quite easily changed to V72 specification.
The V72a was the TAB follow up of the V72; the circuit is quite different, incorporating an EF95 and E180F pentodes,and directly related to the V74(a). The sound of this mic pre was different but was a better following/buffering amp than the V72 because it could take the higher output level of the V76. Some people call it the poor man's V72 because it is easier to find
than the V72. Both versions, V72/74, have problems mostly with the input x-former; they are either blown or missing one leg.
The V72b was the Siemens follow up of the V72, a symmetric/balanced mic pre incorporating the E283CC and the E88CC. It was completely different in design to the V72 but soundwise on the same level, with better S/N ratio and intermodulation distortion. It is a good mic-preamp but a much better mastering amp, directly related to the V70 and V77b. Like the V72a the V72b could also easily take the high output level of the V76 with way more head room. Converted to the V77b, it is "The greatest mastering tubeamp of all times"...
As already mentioned, the original design of the V72 goes back to 1928 with the V41; closely examined, it is, except for the gain control, nearly the same amplifier. After WWII Western Germany built the V41b (Telefunken/Maihak/EAB/Siemens) up to 1949 and replaced it with the V72, eastern Germany built it to 1958 (Funkwerk Erfurt/C. Lorenz AG/RFT) and [then] replaced it with the V241. This version was more likely a mix between the old V41 and the western V72. The tube setup was EF866 (made by the East German Telefunken) that is pretty much a EF806s and a ECC85. The gain control featured the old V41-style circuit, 20/25/30/35/40/45/50 dB frequency compensated. The V241 was built by RFT, and in 1975 was replaced by the transistor version.
As well as the V241, the V76 incorporated the V41 gain control, a feedback control, but TAB went one step further and added a switchable input pad; the change resulted in a 12 position gain switch in six dB steps.
The perfect partner for a Tube Microphone is definitely a Tube Preamp.
DESCRIPTION.
The V72 was developed 1953 at the NWDR (Nordwestdeutscher Rundfunk) as an universal studioamp with a fixed gain of 34dB to compensate the signal loss of passive filters and faders in modular studio mixers. It was designed to be used anywhere in the signal path from microphone input signals (preferably from high output tube mics like the Neumann U47) to full line amp applications. The high quality balancing transformers at the signal input and output and the mains transformer are shielded with multilayer mumetal/copper technique. The unit is fully self contained, it includes its own 220V power supply and all connections as the mains supply and the balanced input and balanced output are accessible through a single 12pin Tuchel connector. The 1uF capacitor in the input circuit creates a bass roll off and can be bridged for a smooth bottom end. The Pentodes Telefunken EF804S used in the V72 are common types and are still easily available.
The V72 was designed for exact 220V and is very critical with mains voltage. If used in the UK, AUSTRALIA or another country with higher mains voltage it has to be modified to run with the correct internal voltages. In countries with lower mains voltage (i.e. USA) a step up transformer has to be used
THE V72 AS A MICROPHONE PREAMP.
The V72 can be used unchanged in combination with high output tube condenser mics as described above. Because there is no internal gain adjustment, the signal has to be attenuated if necessary either with a pad circuit before the input of the V72 or after the output. If the V72 is used with low and medium output microphones or on lower signals, it is necessary to modify the internal circuit of the V72 to get more gain than the default 34dB. If this is done properly, the V72's original character is unchanged in any gain setting.
After long researches and carefully considering existing methods, I developed a modification circuit which combines the V72's original character and warmth, linear frequency response and excellent noise figures with a higher gain of max +55dB. A high quality swiss made step rotary switch, operated from the frontpanel selects the 6 gain steps of +25/+35/+40/+45/+50/+55 dB.
The ultimate... the "Rolls-Royce" of tube mic preamps.
The V76 was designed by the Insitut fur Rundfunktechnik and built from 1958 basically by TAB/Germany (Tonographie Apparatebau, Wuppertal/Eberfeld). This company also built other units for this series, as the V72 and 72a (low/mid gain preamp) and the U73 (tube compressor). Engineering standard and technical quality at this time was so high, that it would be impossible to build this preamp today for its current market price.
The V76 was designed for applications where the "standard" V72 could not provide enough gain (ie for dynamic mics) and where it was essential to have a switchable variety of gain steps plus some selectable high and low frequency pre filtering. The circuit of the gain selector works in a quite unique way of combining variable input attenuation and variable feedback. This results in very good noise figures at all gain settings.
There are 3 controls at the front panel: The 12 step gain selector (+3dB up to +76dB), a 3 kHz rolloff switch and a four step low cut filter.
The unit is fully self contained, it includes its own 220V power supply and all connections as the mains supply and the balanced input and balanced output are accessible through a single 12pin Tuchel connector. The high quality balancing transformers at the signal input and output and the mains transformer are shielded with multi layer mumetal/copper technique. Pentodes Telefunken EF804S and E83F used in the V76 are common types and are still easily available.
V76 VERSIONS:
V76/80 - with switchable lowcut at 80Hz and 300Hz. Fixed input filter 40Hz and 15kHz.
V76/120 - with switchable lowcut at 120Hz and 300Hz.Fixed input filter 40Hz and 15kHz.
V76m - special version without switchable low/highcut and without fixed input filters; linear frequency response from 20Hz to 20kHz
If you are lucky enough to own a V76 it will probably be a V76/80 or the V76/120 type. The IRT designed this versions for Radio and TV Studios, where it was important to cut off any noise in the studio below 40Hz and above 15kHz. If you are using yours in your TV studio this will be fine, but most V76s are used in top class music recording studios today. Obviously it makes no sense there to limit the performance of this terrific amplifier! So make sure that yours has been modified to give you the full frequency response.
If this is done right, the V76 has an impressive response from 10Hz to 35kHz , +/- 0.5 dB !!)
Mains Supply
The V76 was designed for Germany's Radio broadcast only, so it is specified for exact 220V +/- 5% . Mains voltage higher than 230V increases the noise figures, heat development and reduces life of tubes. So if used in the UK, AUSTRALIA or another country with higher mains voltage it has to be modified to run with the correct internal voltages.
In countries with lower mains voltage (i.e. USA) a step up transformer has to be used. Power requirement per unit is only between 16 to 20 Watts, so you can run up to 10 units V72 or V76 on a single 100W step up transformer.
사진은 제가 가지고 있는 V72,V72a,V73 모듈로 구성된 랙 마운트 형태의 앰프입니다.
좀 더 욕심을 낸다면 v76/m을 구하고 볼륨을 오리지날 페이더 형식으로 바꾸고 싶습니다.
그 옆에 있는 앰프는 Klangfilm KLV 408 로 EL34PP 앰프 이고 그 위에 돼지 저금통 아래에 있는 것은 KLV 408에 매칭하는 국내업체작인 칸투스 클랑뢰베 독일계 트랜스 프리이고 그 옆은 아주 잘 만든 국산 6V6 싱글 앰프 입니다
아래는 인터넷에서 퍼온글 입니다
TELEFUNKEN/TAB/EAB/NEUMANN/SIEMENS
The V72 studio mic pre-amplifier.
The V72 was developed at the NWDR (North West German Radio) in the time period of 1949 to 1952 as a microphone and main studio amplifier under the technical supervision of Prof. Nestler the former Head of R&D of Telefunken ELA (Electro Acoustic) Lab.
Following the Stockholmer Radio conference ,where Europe set the beginning of the Ultra Short Wave Radio or in better terms FM radio, new equipment with a better frequency response and S/N ratio was needed. Because most pre-war equipment had been deported or destroyed the NWDR developed a complete new standard for the German radio network in cooperation with the IRT in Hamburg (Institute for Broadcast Technology).
The V72 was modeled on the basis of the V41 (developed in 1928 by Telefunken), but with modern parts like the Noval glass tubes and in a smaller housing the "Danner" cassette module. The first 300 units were build at the NWDR Zentraltechnik up to serial#100 and to Serial#300 by Maihak with a set of EF40 (the post war version of the EF12), but later changed to a better version of the EF40, the EF804s.
The V72 is a self contained amplifier with a fixed gain; it was originally used as a microphone amplifier (in use with a Neumann W75k high pass filter) and as a buffering amplifier to make up for loss of the passive fader like the Danner MR66/88 and Eckmiller W86 EQs. Up to 1955 it was the standard preamplifier in German radio stations; with the introduction of the V76, it was pushed back as an input module, then only used as a buffering amplifier. In 1963 it was decomissioned by the IRT and replaced by the V72t transistor version.
An estimated 25000 V72 were built for the German Radio Network alone with a fixed gain of 34dB, by several different companies. The early ones were build by Maihak and Telefunken; in 1954 Siemens and TAB joined the production team. Aside from the German radio stations, the V72 was used by most of the European Recording Companies like EMI, Decca/Telefunken, etc. Those units were a bit different,with a fixed gain of 40 dB and lower input impedence.
Telefunken used them as standard preamplifiers for their broadcast division. In 1960 AEG-Telefunken, which was the world's biggest manufacturer of broadcast systems, sold these units mainly to radio stations in South America, Africa and the Middle East, where most of them are still in use today. In 1966 the production stopped at Telefunken; Siemens stopped the production in 1964 but built the V72b version up to 1966. TAB was the only company that built the V72a up into the 70s.
Today the V72 is still in demand, but most units are now at least 34 years old and need to be rebuilt or refurbished. The electrolytic caps of the power supply are dried out and need to be replaced; the silkwire of the unit falls apart, and in most cases it shorts out the input/output x-former.
Technically speaking, there is a family of V72 type amplifiers that were built around the V72 circuit: the V71, V77 and V78. And the close relatives to the V72 are those units that matched the technical data of this little giant, but used a different circuit,V72a (V74a) V72b (V70/V77b).
The V71 was only made by Malotki and was a half size Danner module (without power supply) that incorporated the V72 circuit. The gain could be set with a resistor from 19 to 43 dB and needed an external N52 power supply.
The V77 was a Siemens made supercharged V72 with a maximum gain of 80 dB. It produced sound like a V72 but with the gain and plus of the V76; with an external switch (W77) the gain could be adjusted from 0 to 80 dB. Tube set-up, choke and output x-former are identical; the input x-former is wound the same way but with a 1 to 40 ratio, because in order to get the required S/N ratio the V77 needed a different power x-former with two separate filament windings.
The V78 was a general purpose or talkback version for the German radio station with an adjustable gain up to 70dB. Sound and S/N ratio is quite different, even where the circuit and transformers are the same, but the inputs and outputs transformer are hooked up in a different way so that the unit loses its sound character. The V78 is quite easily changed to V72 specification.
The V72a was the TAB follow up of the V72; the circuit is quite different, incorporating an EF95 and E180F pentodes,and directly related to the V74(a). The sound of this mic pre was different but was a better following/buffering amp than the V72 because it could take the higher output level of the V76. Some people call it the poor man's V72 because it is easier to find
than the V72. Both versions, V72/74, have problems mostly with the input x-former; they are either blown or missing one leg.
The V72b was the Siemens follow up of the V72, a symmetric/balanced mic pre incorporating the E283CC and the E88CC. It was completely different in design to the V72 but soundwise on the same level, with better S/N ratio and intermodulation distortion. It is a good mic-preamp but a much better mastering amp, directly related to the V70 and V77b. Like the V72a the V72b could also easily take the high output level of the V76 with way more head room. Converted to the V77b, it is "The greatest mastering tubeamp of all times"...
As already mentioned, the original design of the V72 goes back to 1928 with the V41; closely examined, it is, except for the gain control, nearly the same amplifier. After WWII Western Germany built the V41b (Telefunken/Maihak/EAB/Siemens) up to 1949 and replaced it with the V72, eastern Germany built it to 1958 (Funkwerk Erfurt/C. Lorenz AG/RFT) and [then] replaced it with the V241. This version was more likely a mix between the old V41 and the western V72. The tube setup was EF866 (made by the East German Telefunken) that is pretty much a EF806s and a ECC85. The gain control featured the old V41-style circuit, 20/25/30/35/40/45/50 dB frequency compensated. The V241 was built by RFT, and in 1975 was replaced by the transistor version.
As well as the V241, the V76 incorporated the V41 gain control, a feedback control, but TAB went one step further and added a switchable input pad; the change resulted in a 12 position gain switch in six dB steps.
The perfect partner for a Tube Microphone is definitely a Tube Preamp.
DESCRIPTION.
The V72 was developed 1953 at the NWDR (Nordwestdeutscher Rundfunk) as an universal studioamp with a fixed gain of 34dB to compensate the signal loss of passive filters and faders in modular studio mixers. It was designed to be used anywhere in the signal path from microphone input signals (preferably from high output tube mics like the Neumann U47) to full line amp applications. The high quality balancing transformers at the signal input and output and the mains transformer are shielded with multilayer mumetal/copper technique. The unit is fully self contained, it includes its own 220V power supply and all connections as the mains supply and the balanced input and balanced output are accessible through a single 12pin Tuchel connector. The 1uF capacitor in the input circuit creates a bass roll off and can be bridged for a smooth bottom end. The Pentodes Telefunken EF804S used in the V72 are common types and are still easily available.
The V72 was designed for exact 220V and is very critical with mains voltage. If used in the UK, AUSTRALIA or another country with higher mains voltage it has to be modified to run with the correct internal voltages. In countries with lower mains voltage (i.e. USA) a step up transformer has to be used
THE V72 AS A MICROPHONE PREAMP.
The V72 can be used unchanged in combination with high output tube condenser mics as described above. Because there is no internal gain adjustment, the signal has to be attenuated if necessary either with a pad circuit before the input of the V72 or after the output. If the V72 is used with low and medium output microphones or on lower signals, it is necessary to modify the internal circuit of the V72 to get more gain than the default 34dB. If this is done properly, the V72's original character is unchanged in any gain setting.
After long researches and carefully considering existing methods, I developed a modification circuit which combines the V72's original character and warmth, linear frequency response and excellent noise figures with a higher gain of max +55dB. A high quality swiss made step rotary switch, operated from the frontpanel selects the 6 gain steps of +25/+35/+40/+45/+50/+55 dB.
The ultimate... the "Rolls-Royce" of tube mic preamps.
The V76 was designed by the Insitut fur Rundfunktechnik and built from 1958 basically by TAB/Germany (Tonographie Apparatebau, Wuppertal/Eberfeld). This company also built other units for this series, as the V72 and 72a (low/mid gain preamp) and the U73 (tube compressor). Engineering standard and technical quality at this time was so high, that it would be impossible to build this preamp today for its current market price.
The V76 was designed for applications where the "standard" V72 could not provide enough gain (ie for dynamic mics) and where it was essential to have a switchable variety of gain steps plus some selectable high and low frequency pre filtering. The circuit of the gain selector works in a quite unique way of combining variable input attenuation and variable feedback. This results in very good noise figures at all gain settings.
There are 3 controls at the front panel: The 12 step gain selector (+3dB up to +76dB), a 3 kHz rolloff switch and a four step low cut filter.
The unit is fully self contained, it includes its own 220V power supply and all connections as the mains supply and the balanced input and balanced output are accessible through a single 12pin Tuchel connector. The high quality balancing transformers at the signal input and output and the mains transformer are shielded with multi layer mumetal/copper technique. Pentodes Telefunken EF804S and E83F used in the V76 are common types and are still easily available.
V76 VERSIONS:
V76/80 - with switchable lowcut at 80Hz and 300Hz. Fixed input filter 40Hz and 15kHz.
V76/120 - with switchable lowcut at 120Hz and 300Hz.Fixed input filter 40Hz and 15kHz.
V76m - special version without switchable low/highcut and without fixed input filters; linear frequency response from 20Hz to 20kHz
If you are lucky enough to own a V76 it will probably be a V76/80 or the V76/120 type. The IRT designed this versions for Radio and TV Studios, where it was important to cut off any noise in the studio below 40Hz and above 15kHz. If you are using yours in your TV studio this will be fine, but most V76s are used in top class music recording studios today. Obviously it makes no sense there to limit the performance of this terrific amplifier! So make sure that yours has been modified to give you the full frequency response.
If this is done right, the V76 has an impressive response from 10Hz to 35kHz , +/- 0.5 dB !!)
Mains Supply
The V76 was designed for Germany's Radio broadcast only, so it is specified for exact 220V +/- 5% . Mains voltage higher than 230V increases the noise figures, heat development and reduces life of tubes. So if used in the UK, AUSTRALIA or another country with higher mains voltage it has to be modified to run with the correct internal voltages.
In countries with lower mains voltage (i.e. USA) a step up transformer has to be used. Power requirement per unit is only between 16 to 20 Watts, so you can run up to 10 units V72 or V76 on a single 100W step up transformer.
텔레풍켄 V86, V87 회로도
독일 V-series Telefu 도시락앰프.
